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Extending SDRF for Metabolomics #678
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@ypriverol Instead of pure ISA-Tab, would the MetaboLights flavor of it also work for a start? |
Hi @ypriverol and @nilshoffmann , I thought about how the SDRF proteomics format needs to be modified to fit metabolomics. In general, mass spectrometry-based analysis is very similar regardless of the investigated molecule so I think it’s more of a question of what should be commented on/recommended. For example, fractionating is quite common in proteomics and mentioned as required information in the proteomics SDRF paper but it’s an edge case in metabolomics, so I would treat it as optional. |
Hi @mmattano and @nilshoffmann Here my comments: First of all thanks for leading this.
Following these lines we need to check what will be the case for multiplexing studies. We use the
Related with my previous comment ☝️.
I think columns regarding the type of experiment MUST be part of the data information, 1- We can define in the same way something like 2- We can use also the column
The main priority and first proposal must be about MS metabolomics and how the SDRF can facilitate reanalyzis of public proteomics data. Then, we can focus on the other use cases, what do you think?
Fully, agreed. I think we should have in the same repo a PR with three documents: 1- Proposal for SDRF-metabolomics, in that one we reference the SDRF proteomics for the sections that are common and refine the ones that are different. 2- A set of templates and and one example that represent the proposal. 3- A lit of ontology terms that needs to be added to PSI-MS to futfil the specification.
Agreed. Then we can call for a EuBIC meeting with whoever wants to be involved, discuss details (I would do this after writing some parsers since they can be adjusted and provide example files to present) and ask for contributions in annotations/checking annotated files. Please let me know what you think about this and what you think I should get started with. As soon as we have a solid proposal and topics to be discussed, we can present this to EUBIC and HUPO-PSI groups. |
@mmattano @nilshoffmann I have contacted the metaboligths team, and they provided three different examples of datasets that would be great to have representation in SDRF-metabolomics:
These three examples would be good gold standard datasets for annotations. |
I think this is a good initiative. One thing that we might want to consider on the analysis portal side to make it easier for people to get it into these formats is automatically convert from GNPS2 metadata to SDRF so it'll just be super easy. It'll help meet people where they are right now. Just an example of controlled vocabulary forms of what we have in public GNPS is here: We've also put some effort into getting as much as we can into the same CV from metabolomics workbench by mining the metadata they already have available. Best, Ming |
@mwang87 Thanks for your comments: I do agree that we should make easy the conversion from GNPS to SDRF. The major challenges could be to transform free text to CV terms. 1- We can collect all of them. The most important thing here now is defined the columns in the SDRF metabolomics that enables to perform semi-automatic reanalysis. I have a couple of questions: 1- Is GNPS focus in mainly MS targeted and untargeted metabolomics experiments? |
… mentioned in bigbio/proteomics-sample-metadata#678" This reverts commit da0bd61.
@ypriverol @mmattano @TineClaeys
In this case, the mapping from Characteristics[Organism] <-> characteristics[organism] is trivial, but there are other more difficult cases. Not sure if lesSDRF should be able to import / edit MetaboLights ISA files, but if we plan for adaptation / conversion at some point, having a programmatic route would be very helpful, imho. |
We should not support in any tool SDRF for metabolomics if the standard doesn't exist. For example, in the proteomics standard the My point is for MS-based proteomics we can agree on templates, etc. However, for metabolomics we have to create a format, rules and guidelines. Then, at the moment if we create an SDRF with lesSDRF, it will be wrong. Can you give your input in the PR created by @mmattano Who is leading the development of SDRF for metabolomics? Can we have a chat @mmattano @nilshoffmann and others interested in the topic early February about metabolomics SDRF. |
@ypriverol @TineClaeys Please do not misunderstand my intention here. I do not plan to have SDRF for metabolomics supported in lesSDRF until there is a spec, which is also not on me to decide. With my findings, I will of course contribute to @mmattano 's PR #680 |
Thanks @nilshoffmann for your quick reply. I will schedule a meeting for early February and send an email around. @mwang87 would you be able to participate? |
Happy to chat. We've also done some work on our end for harmonizing metabolights with other repositories in metabolomics so hopefully our work/insight is helpful. |
@nilshoffmann @mwang87 @mmattano and @bigbio/collaborators here a doodle poll for the meeting about the SDRF for metabolomics https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/avmJom0e |
[#703] Metabolomics specification DRAFT [PLEASE DO NO MERGE] |
In the following issue #671 we discussed the major changes for SDRF specification during the next release 1.1. One of them, is the extension of SDRF for metabolomics.
The steps for this development would be:
These efforts will be led by @mmattano @nilshoffmann @ypriverol
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